HIV positive and bodybuilding
Every time I visit my gym there is this guy I always greet. He is always smiling and always on time for his training. Everytime I see him I feel something in me wanting to reach out to him. He is just this bag of bones. Month after month this little muscle he has is withering away even further. He tries his best to train hard, but in vain…I don’t know for sure, but I have a strong feeling he is fighting against HIV infection. My heart goes out to this guy and many times he has been in my prayers.
I am not blessed with my mouth, it is the most difficult thing for me to talk to a stranger. My blessings are in writing and researching subjects objectively. I just so hope that this article somehow lands on his computer or the very least someone else’s where it can make a difference…
HIV infection is all around us, we just don’t know about it. No-one wants to talk about it. Those that have it can even talk less about it…in fear. It is a lonely and heavy burden for any person to carry and a painful one.
Many people in the past used to point a finger…”they deserve it!”, but remember how Christ treated the woman who has just been caught with adultery and where brought in front of Him? For the one finger you point to someone, 10 will point back to you. Let those without sin cast the first stone…
Seeing that guy at my gym day after day and me failing to have the ability to go and chat to him to help him, I decided I need to write an article for HIV+ people who don’t know where to turn too.
I did a lot of personal research, spoke to many doctors who specialize in HIV treatment and have also spoken to some people who are positive. What I say here can make a big difference for the HIV sufferer.
But before I start with the article, let’s get one thing straight. No matter who tells you what, or who makes what claim, THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE to taking HIV medication.
You don’t have time to experiment with your life…the line has been drawn. NOTHING can substitute your HIV medication. So the assumption I make with this article is that you will be on HIV medication and you are taking it EXACTELY as prescribed. Yes the medication has sometimes some serious side effects. You must work through those side-effects together with your doctor. Do NOT stop the medication unless your doctor instructs you to. On this note: You MUST make sure you get a very skilled HIV treatment doctor. Talk around, call universities medical departments, search on internet, but make sure your doctor is VERY skilled. Your life will depend on it.
I am available on Skype for those that feel everything is getting too much for them. Life is beautiful and I will be your friend and guiding hand helping you finding your way to a GREAT life. Email me on gertlouwljc@hotmail.com then we can setup a specific time for a video chat.
Later on in the article I will cover one particular side effect – Lipodystrophy and will briefly touch on others.
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My main aim with this article will be to show the HIV positive person how to lead a quality life…one even waaay better than before.
The article will be divided in the following 2 sections:
- I am aware of death now…
- How to increase the gap as wide as possible between awesome living and death.
I am aware of death now…
Suddenly death is a close reality for you. Time cannot be wasted anymore. Every moment must be spent rejoicing in life.
You cannot live irresponsible anymore. You received a wakeup call.
My friend, 10 years ago I had my own unique wakeup call and nearly died – fighting against severe kidney and liver damage. I used that opportunity to change EVERYTHING in my life.
- time is precious,
- my wife is precious,
- my child is precious,
- my family is precious,
- every day is precious,
- I will NOT waste it anymore.
I changed my eating habits, I started training intensely and I changed the person who I am on the inside. Seeing my reflection in that mirror, I can truly say I like what I see, outside and inside.
I settled my bill with God and has walked a long road with Him since. This is YOUR opportunity.
Do you realize not many people get such a great opportunity…a wake up call?
You have been blessed my friend – you just don’t know it yet, you can change what need to be changed and you can become the best you can be on ALL levels. Grab this opportunity with everything you have and you WILL live a life truly worth living.
This is THE most important point you must accept. You have received a great blessing. How you are going to use this blessing will decide what person you will become.
You CAN have an awesome live, a life where you’ve made right with God, a life where you look the best you looked ever, a life where you start seeing the people in need and start making a difference, a life truly WORTH living!
Surround yourself with people who only adds to your goal post. Cut those out that break you down and pull you in the wrong direction…just make sure your aim is in the right direction.
Don’t surround you with people who make you just feel good. Life is not about feeling good, it is about a life WORTH living.
Listen to music that built you up, read books that feed your soul, care for your neighbour…
So you might be married and want kids oneday? Nothing is stopping you. Many married couples have conceived naturally under the guidance of a doctor. Under hiv medication your viral load becomes undetectable and with a high CD4 the risk is VERY LOW when penetration is done once at time of ovulation. (Risk less than 1 in 10 000 for woman to become infected…that is very low).
As with ALL things in life…the choice is yours. If you are reading this article then you are already busy making that choice…
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How to increase the gap as wide as possible between awesome living & death.
After making the choice of will in point one I will move on to more practical points for obtaining an awesome life for the HIV positive person.
The aspects to be covered:
a) growing muscle – why?
b) eating for survival.
c) supplement for healthy immune system
d) anabolics and human growth hormone
A) Growing muscle – why?
Ok, first of all you gonna look kick-ass! (I refer to my post “Get motivated for training” http://gertlouw.com/2013/02/01/get-motivated-for-training/ )
Secondly, the bottom line is, the more muscle mass you carry as a hiv+ person, the better your chances of survival.
Let me explain: Due to a compromised immune system hiv+ people can get more frequent and sometimes very severe bacteria infections. This can happen anywhere, anytime. You can go white water rafting and get thrown over in the water and take just one mouthful of water and you can potentially become very (very!) sick ending up in hospital for 2 weeks due to bacteria infection.
Obviously the higher your CD4 count the less your risk.
Everytime such a sever bacterial infection occurs, you will lose anywhere from 2- 10 kgs in muscle weight. Since the muscles carry the primary energy source for you immune system (Glutamine), it is critical that a HIV+ person has very healthy muscle mass and the more he has the better his long-term changes of survival.
When a HIV+ person lose too much muscle weight, his body cannot provide Glutamine to feed the immune system. Sadly this is one of the MAIN reasons of death for HIV+ people.
It is thus not for “looks” but CRITICAL that every hiv+ guy start doing bodybuilding.
In my research I ran across quite a few highly skilled hiv doctors who unashamedly support any safe means for the hiv+ person to increase muscle size to above average levels even with the help of anabolic steroids where necessary…but more on that later.
Don’t listen to the average house doctor telling you there is no need for a hiv+ person to have more than average muscle size. With much respect, he does NOT know what he is talking about. It is basic common sense that, the more muscle mass a hiv+ person carries the better his/her long-term survival ability – full stop!
Doing regular exercise will further enhance the immune system.
Some research have shown that severe excise might actually hamper the immune system.
But you should enter in the bodybuilding arena in a step by step fashion. Slowly increase intensity and duration. It helps the body get accustomed to the exercise and builds up endurance and stamina. Feeding the body for growth and supplement with all the listed supplements will keep the body and immune system healthy (+ taking your HIV medication). In such a scenario there is no reason why you cannot do fairly strenuous workouts for muscle growth.
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Hiv+ bodybuilders might find it slightly more difficult to build muscle than hiv- people…but the differences is very slight. Obviously the stronger the immune system the lesser the impact.
Go for it and built those muscles!
Having a strong good-looking body will further help you feel positive and good about yourself.
Excercise is well-known for releasing all the feel good hormones…you need it!
Excercise is also a great way to release stress. Having the constant reminder of being hiv+ will be taking its toll, working out will help you to mentally cope better.
Here is a video that can help you getting a decent training program on the road:
Click here to play video “How to start a transformation from scratch – for the novice”
Lastly, some HIV sufferers might already lost so much size that they are afraid to go to gym’s to train because they are afraid that people might stare. My friend, there will ALWAYS be people who hate (for whatever reasons). This is YOUR life, take charge, ignore those starers and DO something about your situation. I have never seen anyone being nasty to this “bag of bones” guy at my gym I referred to earlier in my article. In fact I see a lot of people going up to him and chat to him and they are all caring people.
b) Eating to survive.
The general thought is that the hiv+ person need a higher calorie diet because of the strain the infection puts on the body and resulting energy required to fight it.
Though this might be true for the hiv+ person who have a highly compromised immune system (below 300 CD4 count) it is not really applicable to the hiv+ person with a strong immune system and undetectable viral load. For such people they can pretty much stick to the eating guidelines I’ve already laid down in my previous articles:
Diet is for LOSERS http://gertlouw.com/2013/01/27/diet-is-for-losers/
My basic FREE Transformation Program – CLICK HERE
A cutting diet to protect muscle mass and loose fat for the hiv+ individual:
Click here to play video “Cutting phase diet video”
A building phase diet video to add as much muscle as possible:
Click here to play video “Building phase diet video”
The key is to feed your body every 3-4 hours with a small balanced meal containing a clean protein source. See above articles for eating regimen details.
C) Supplements for healthy immune system
A supplement which must be avoided at all costs for the hiv+ individual is echinacea. Echinacea “feeds” the hiv virus and will result in a massive increase in your viral load.
L-Glutamine:
A critical supplement for the HIV+ person. Suggested dosages: 4 x 5g spread out during day.
Glutamine feeds the immune system. Without Gutamine our immune system cannot function.
Since Glutamine is primarily stored in the muscles, one can easily see why it is critical for the HIV+ person to have a healthy muscle mass…in fact, the more the better.
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This extract from www.thebody.com gives the best accounts of glutamine
“Normally, nutrition provides enough antioxidants to combat “oxidative stress” and neutralize the “free radicals.” But under continuous siege by HIV, the need for anti-oxidants begins to grow beyond what a regular diet can provide. Wasting is one result — muscle tissue is rich in glutamine. The body starts breaking down muscle to fight the “oxidative stress.” Another result is a higher viral load, because HIV thrives in an environment rich in free radicals. Some nutritionists have begun to call glutamine a “conditionally essential” nutrient.
A recent study of about 100 PWAS, mostly men with less than 200 T-cells, done by Drs. Leonore and Leonard Herzenberg at Stanford University, found that glutathione levels are directly linked to survival. 85% of those who started the study with high glutathione levels survived the three-year-long study while only 18% with low levels did. It isn’t known whether low glutathione levels cause or quicken disease progression or if they are a symptom of some other process — however supplementation to increase glutathione levels in cells is increasingly popular. Glutathione is also crucial for liver health.
Some recent studies have suggested that taking glutathione itself can raise the glutathione levels in immune cells.
A recent study in the Lancet, for example, reported that glutamine supplementation significantly decreased the incidence of pneumonia, and other life-threatening infections like bacteremia and septicemia, for patients with multiple traumas and who were being fed intravenously. In the study, only 17% of patients on glutamine got pneumonia, compared to 45% of the participants who were not on glutamine. 7% on glutamine contracted bacteremia, while 42% of the non-glutamine group did. Finally, 3% (one person!) of those in the glutamine group experienced sepsis, compared to 26% of the non-glutamine group.
The effect of glutamine on the gut is pretty well documented because supplementation has been found useful not only for people with HIV, but with other conditions that require intravenous feeding like severe bums and intestinal surgery.
Studies of people with other conditions have found that glutamine supplementation speeds recoveryand can even restore firm, healthy stools to people who have only inches (of a former 21 feet!) of intestine remaining.
Most people think the intestine is just an organ needed for the elimination of waste, but in fact, it is a crucial part of the immune system. Like people with HIV, cancer patients on chemotherapy often suffer severe diarrhea. Charles Smigelski, RD, a nutritionist and researcher at Harvard University, reports seeing a cancer chemo patient who had disabling diarrhea for six months. Within a week on glutamine, his bowel movements were normal.
Smigelski is high on glutamine and other antioxidant supplements for people with HIV. He has about I 00 HIV patients in his practice that are supplementing with glutamine and says, “Most people report that they feel better on every level. It improves their energy, it reduces diarrhea, and it’s hugely useful in wasting and dealing with oxidative stress. A ton of people swear by it.”
Smigelski believes that such supplementation may be able to prevent or reduce lipodystrophy (“Crix belly”), thought to be a side effect of protease inhibitors. His patients find it useful for diarrhea caused by protease inhibitors as well. “A very common experience is that someone will have protease related diarrhea. Immodium will stop the explosive diarrhea that often comes before people can get to the bathroom, but it won’t firm the stools or reduce frequency. Glutamine, which I use in combination with probiotics (natural gut bacteria like acidophilus, lactobacillus, etc.), firms the stools. It really improves quality of life.”
Body builders also tout glutamine because it is anabolic (builds muscles). A poster presented by Dr. Shabert at this year’s International Conference on AIDS in Geneva reports that patients with wasting given 40 grams a day of glutamine (along with NAC, vitamins C and E, selenium and beta-carotene) gained an average of 1.7 kilograms (3.75 lbs) in lean body mass in 12 weeks. Patients in the control group were given glycine (another amino acid protein) and a multivitamin and they did not gain similarly.”
POTENT Multi – Vitamin:
Your body is under much more pressure due to the HIV infection. A “normal” multi vitamin for hiv- individuals will not do. You need a daily POTENT one. The only one’s really sufficient I know off is: Animal Pak Multi Vitamin and OPTI-MEN Multi Vitamin (Take one dosage daily with meals). There may be more but make sure they contain significant more RDA dosages than the average multi vitamin. Must be taken with food for good absorption.
Vitamin C:
Vitamin C is one of the cornerstone supplements for the HIV+ individual. It ‘s benefits in fighting of infections is well documented. Take a slow release version not less than 2000mg per day. 1G after morning meal and 1g after evening meal. Must be taken with food for good absorption. CLICK HERE TO ORDER MY PREFERRED CHOICE OF VIT C ON AMAZON.
Alpha Lipoic Acid:
Recommend dosage: 200 mg. Alpha Lipoic Acid capsule three times per day. CLICK HERE TO ORDER MY PREFERRED CHOICE OF ALPHA LIPOIC ACID ON AMAZON.
The following extract from www.hepatitiscfree.com gives a good overview of the importance of ALA.
“Alpha-lipoic acid is an antioxidant used in Europe to restore liver health. It confers protective benefits against oxidative processes involved in degenerative diseases. It is more potent than vitamins C, E, and Co-Q10, and according to Dr. Ester Packer, professor of molecular biology at UC Berkley, alpha-lipoic acid may be the most important antioxidant ever discovered:
| Vitamins C, E and glutathione work together to deactivate and prevent free radicals from causing uncontrolled damage in the body. But at this stage we run into a limiting factor regarding availability of glutathione, which is an important free-radical deactivator offering protection against cataract formation, as well as immune enhancement, liver protection, cancer protection, and heavy-metal detoxification.When taken orally like Vitamins C and E, glutathione is broken down in the stomach before it reaches the bloodstream. What does end up being absorbed can raise serum levels, but the effect inside of the cells is minimal.Alpha-lipoic acid is the missing link. Not only is ALA a powerful antioxidant in its own right, but it also regenerates glutathione, giving cells a double dose of antioxidant protection. In addition, it is easily absorbed when taken orally, and once inside cells it is quickly converted to its most potent form, dihydrolipoic acid, which is an even more potent free-radical neutralizer than ALA. Because both alpha-lipoic acid and dihydrolipoic acid are antioxidants, their combined actions give them greater antioxidant potency than any other natural antioxidant now known.Scientists have also found that lipoic acid can inhibit replication of HIV-1 and other viruses through its ability to bind directly to DNA. (47) |
Dr. Packer and Chandan K. Sen, a researcher from Finland, have described how alpha-lipoic acid regulates aspects of the immune system, and in particular, immune cells called T-lymphocytes. These two researchers, along with other scientists, have reported how alpha-lipoic acid may help people with HIV:
| ALA inhibits growth of HIV more effectively than NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine) ….alpha-lipoic acid completely inhibited activation of a gene in the AIDS virus that allows it to reproduce. “ |
d) Anabolic steroids and Human Growth hormone.
If ever, for any group of people the use of anabolic steroids and HGH is recommended, then it is for HIV+ people.
Some medical doctors do not really support this notion, but talk to any highly skilled hiv physician and he/she is much more open to the idea. Simply because due to the nature of the disease having excess muscle mass will have a great positive effect on your long-term survival. Remember our earlier discussion about Glutamine and bacterial infection?Thus, although some doctors might still not support the idea, I will stick my neck out here and blatantly claim that the correct use of anabolic steroids can have a great positive effect for the hiv+ person. I refer to my article “To Steroid or Not” http://gertlouw.com/2013/01/31/to-steroid-or-not/
Remember this guy I saw training at my gym who is just a bag of bones…? Anabolic Steroids could be a LIFESAVING tool for him!
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Some of the “safer” anabolic steroid cycles for HIV sufferers are as follows:
(you MUST do resistance training – weight training when HIV positive):
“Safe” cycle ONE:
- Once a week injections in bum (upper right corner of bum) for 12 weeks of 200mg testosterone enanthate + 2 x 100mg Primobolan Depot.
- After 12 weeks you might consider a short course of Nolvadex for 21 days to restore your natural testosterone production.
“Safe” cycle TWO:
- Alternatively for those afraid of the self injecting and also a slightly cheaper solution: 4 x 20mg tablets (spread out over day) daily for 8 weeks of Anavar. (not longer, Anavar is Alpha 17 steroid and longer cycles can influence liver values).
- With Anavar only, no post cycle treatment with Nolvadex or Clomid is required.
You MUST check your liver and kidney values before starting (check you blood pressure regularly and also for safety get your cholesterol checked) and you should do above with the approval of your HIV doctor. If your HIV doctor is against the use of anabolic steroids, you should get a new doctor. You cannot put your life in the hands of a HIV doctor whose eyes are closed to non-mainstream HIV therapies, he need to be open-minded and truly understand the challenges and problems the HIV sufferer is facing…I’ve already made my point earlier about why and how important anabolics and muscle growth is for the HIV sufferer.
Hiv medication side Effects
A common side effect when hiv+ people start medication is nausea/vomiting/diarrhea. This can go on for months before the body get used to the medication. During this time the person can lose a rather severe amount of muscle mass (something that must be avoided at all cost). It is very difficult to prevent it. However a certain anabolic steroid, Primobolan Depot (one of the safest steroids available), has been known to protect muscle wasting when the body experience a very low-calorie intake. Taking this anabolic during the side effect period might just help you losing a lot of your precious muscle mass.
HGH or human growth hormone is mostly use in cases where a hiv+ individual develop a hiv medication side effect, lipodystrophy. (However a new drug called TESMORELIN is available to treat the “hiv+ tummy” that many guys get and it is fairly successfull in melting the fat away around the organs. Although a very expensive drug especially in Canada it is cheaply available on the black market). Usually when hiv+ people develop this side effect they have to stop or alter their medication. HGH might help get the lipodystrophy fat layer down slightly but in most cases it has only but a mild effect to get the condition under control.
Other important tools for the HIV+ person
- BPC 157 – peptide that can help with to better the quality life for the hiv+ sufferer on many levels. Super fast joint / tendon / ligament / muscle /wound healing. Skin healing and repair, repairing gut and gastro intestinal problems and also gum infection. Plays important anti-inflamatory role in the body.
- Epithalon – Peptide that plays various anti aging roles. Potential for enhancing life span. Increases melatonin releases which means much better sleeping pattern and deep sleep. Advances healthy heart. Fights cancer. Improve eye health. Improves immune system and fighting of various viruses include the flu. Increase anti-oxidant levels in body.
- Tesamorelin – Peptide important for hiv+ sufferers to help fight the internal bloated belly look that many times is a result of hiv medication.
- Myostatin – Peptide blocking myostatin in the body and thus result in muscle size increases. This is a safer alternative to anabolic steroids. (see also peptide ACE 031)
All above and more can be ordered rather easily and cheaply on the black market. For those in South Africa, it can be ordered via: RESEARCHPEPTIDES.CO.ZA
So how should your daily actions look like if you want to live a GREAT life and you are hiv+ ?
- 4-6 small healthy meals spread out evenly throughout the day with a roughly 40/40/40 split in calories for protein/fat/carbs containing lots of fresh veggies and fruit. Don’t be scared of a little body fat. It is healthy and good for the hiv+ person.
- Resistance training to build muscles at least 4 times a week but not more than 5 times.
- Use of Alpha Lipoic Acid, Co Enzyme Q10, Potent Multi Vit, Slow releasing Vit C, Omega 3 and 6.
- Use of Whey protein, BCAA and L-Glutamine (very important).
- Strongly consider using BPC 157, Epithalon and Myostatin/ACE 031.
- If typical hiv+ large tummy develops consider Tesamorelin…but never let lipodystrophy go too far. Work with your doctor to rather change meds.
- Educate yourself for possible future use of Anabolic Steroids or HGH as a last resort to keep/built muscle mass.
- Good sleep patterns essential for strong immune system.
- Start living a quality life focussing on things that build you up. Stop doing what is risky behaviour. NO DRUGS! No sleeping around. You need a long term fixed loving and supporting relationship.
- Finding faith can be and extreme comforter…build your relationship with God.
- Reach out to others and help people…this makes life worth living.
If you have a specific question, please contact me and I will try my best to help: http://gertlouw.com/contact-me/
Alternatively, I also offer life and fitness coaching online for hiv+ individuals. I have dealt with MANY hiv+ individuals and have helped many to cope mentally and to just have someone trusted to talked too. I provide a total confidential environment with unlimited support (via email) through my hiv+ coaching to help you, not just coping with hiv, but to live an awesome life you never dreamed possible…you can signup here
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Wish you a healthy living
Gert Louw
Hi Gert,
First of all, thank you for the wonderful work here. You have shared info that are hard to find even talking to a doc from where I am. Secondly, you are an inspiration. You look great and I wish to be like you when I reach your age.
I’m 36, Asian, pov and my VL is understand controlled and my blood works are good. I felt that it is time for me to achieve the body I have always wanted. I want to explore the use of steroid to help me in achieving it.
I have read your recommneded safe cycle. You recommneded daily Proviron in morning and evening (tablets) and injectable on every 2nd day. I was wondering if you have a cycle that uses only tablets? I do not want to go into injectable yet. Wondering if you can give me some pointers here. Thanks.
Gert…few questions please:
my question regards protein intake for someone who is past the age of 50. I am now 52 years old and wondered if it’s still pertinent to intake 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight even though I’m older now without the use of steroids? 110 you two still grow muscle even though they are in their fifties with any sort of condition.was wondering also if there was an alternative to steroids like a testosterone booster from the health store…..ones that would be including an estrogen blocker? Are there any natural supplements that one can take besides glutamine in order to build muscle? and of course I understand that food is probably the best supplement that one can take. also do you have any information on how to gain muscle in the gluten everyone has weak knees. thanks in advance. blessings to you Greg
Greg,
I agree with you – past the age of 50 protein intake should be taken with more care. First have your kidney function analysed. If your GFR is 90 or above well then you still have 20 y/o kidneys and it should not be an issue. But when your GFR is anything below 70, care must be taken. Depending on your GFR levels you should adjust your protein intake. I have specific kidney issues and my GFR is only 55 (and stable). So I take about half the amount of protein a guy with normal kidney function should take for bodybuilding and I find that it still is plenty protein for growth.
Regarding steroids and alternatives – First I suggest getting your testosterone levels checked. If they are low then I strongly suggest that you allow your doctor to prescribe anabolics – testosterone. Remember testosterone is 100% natural to the body and if used correctly it only has advantages. Low test can have severe negative health effects like heart problems and severe depression. Regarding alternatives, there is not really ones that compare to the effectivity of anabolics. But that being said, TRIBULUS is probably your best bet to help natural test levels.
Unless you are on anabolics I would not play around with estrogen blockers. Your body needs the estrogen to function correctly. However if your doctor conclude you have too high estrogen he can prescribe something like NOLVADEX to you which is a potent and effective estrogen blocker (many bodybuilders on anabolics use it to keep the estrogen backlash in check).
Regarding supplements that built muscle: L-Glutamine and BCAA before during and after training is your best bet. They protect your muscles and also speed up recovery. The best approach to add size is not fancy supplements but a diet focussed to this purpose (check my cutting and building diet on my blog).
Hope this helps buddy?
Wish you success.
Gert
It is possible to get back my muscles with healthy food,glutamine,testosterone and all these supplements without hiv treatment if I am in my first month of being hiv positive?
Because after month i already lost all my muscles and that killing me.
Hi Kristan,
Two things…
1. When you experience muscle wasting when HIV+ it means that either or both of your Viral Load levels are very high and your CD4 is very low. In such a scenario it really becomes very important to start HIV medication.
2. Assuming that you will start the medication, then yes, a safe anabolic steroid cycle will combined with the right supplements and healthy eating will definately add significant muscle mass.
The anabolics will even reverse the muscle wasting effect even if you do not go on the medication…but you will just fool yourself and soon run into serious health problems. I VERY strongly suggest that you start with treatment.
Here is such a suggested “safe” cycle for the HIV+ person:
If u want to venture the anabolic route no matter what, NEVER do it without a doctor monitoring the following:
fasting cholesterol,
liver (ALT & AST),
kidney and
blood pressure values.
The blood work must be done BEFORE you start, after 6 weeks and at end of cycle.
Blood pressure and resting heart should be monitored every evening.
Sports Doctors are much more open to the idea of anabolics due to the type of clients they treat. Make contact with one of them and ONLY do your cycle under their supervision. And LISTEN to what they say. They have a great deal of experience in this field.
The following cycle of anabolics is considered one of the safest and can be done for a cutting or building phase.
For 12 weeks:
Every day:
40mg Proviron in morning and 40mg Proviron in evening (tablets). This results in more free testosterone available in your system and also provide a more lean and hard look to the muscles. (do not exceed 160mg per day)
Every 2nd day (all injectables – make sure u follow injection protocols to the letter!):
30g Testosterone Propionate in cutting phase (40 to 60mg – building phase). NEVER exceed 400mg per week. Do NOT use the enanthate variant. It stays too long active in the body (14 days) in case of complications.
120mg Masteron Propionate or enanthate (NEVER exceed 600mg per week) – can be exchanged with Primobolan Depot or Equipose at same quantities.
Testosterone Propionate is used because it is only bio-available for 4 days in body, so If there are any complications (water rentention, excessive fast heart rate, blood pressure) then it can be brought quickly under control by lowering dosage or stop taking it altogether.
Masteron/Primobolan/Equipose is considered very safe anabolics at low dosages and can help protect muscle in a low calorie environment. It has anti-estrogen properties which helps counteract the estrogen side effect of Testosterone propionate.
None of these anabolics are known for liver toxicity or place too much pressure on kidneys. They are not know for high blood pressure problems either (except potentially Testosterone Propionate in higher dosages). But be aware – ALL anabolics will raise your bad cholesterol, some more than other. Although these are considered mild it will still have an effect. Therefor NEVER do a cycle unless you had your cholesterol checked and it is within normal parameters.
Be very carefull with Testosterone (prop or any other variant). Increasing the dosage can result in severe increases in blood pressure, heart rate and water rentention. Therefore always start with the minimum suggested dosage and monitor your bodies reaction carefully. Although testosterone is safe for the body, too much of it can have severe side effects, like with anything in life!
Post Cycle Treatment (PCT)
ALL anabolics will to various degrees shut down your own testosterone production. Especially Testosterone Propionate. Generally it is not a problem if you follow 3 simple rules:
Stick to recommended dosages.
Do not do your cycle for longer than 12 weeks.
Do a PCT program at the end of your cycle.
There are varying degrees of PCT protocols treatments that will depend on the quantities anabolics used in your cycle.
PCT for high quantities anabolics used:
Day 1-10: HCG at 500iu per day and Proviron at 100mg per day
Day 11-15: Nolvadex at 60mg per day
Day 16-20: Nolvadex at 40mg per day
Day 21-30: Nolvadex at 20mg per day
Clomid at 150mg per day.
PCT for low to med quantities anabolics used:
Day 11-15: Nolvadex at 60mg per day
Day 16-20: Nolvadex at 40mg per day
Day 21-30: Nolvadex at 20mg per day
It is again emphasized that the above undertaking MUST be done only under a doctor’s supervision accompanied by all the necessary blood work. Get yourself a home blood pressure monitor machine and measure your blood pressure and resting heart rate every evening. And if u still want kids or u are under 35…steroids is a no-no!
(sorry about my bad english) I was almost at the point crying when i fiund and read your article about this.Thank you so much for sharing this information..really help.me alot :’) ..but I still quite confuse about the usage of steroid and this cycle thing.. should i take 200 mg of enanthate for 12x weeks and then stop for about a month by eating healthy food and after a month i then repeat it again? is that what you mean by it?..I also dont want my natural testosterone to shut down..that will be really bad for my health.. pls reply sir ..thx alot
Hi Rey
I published it because I know the situation many hiv+ guys are in…they do not know where to turn to and who to trust. I pray the info helps you buddy. Contact me anytime.
Regarding the anabolics, this is the best cycle I suggest for hiv+ people:
If u want to venture the anabolic route no matter what, NEVER do it without a doctor monitoring the following:
fasting cholesterol,
liver (ALT & AST),
kidney and
blood pressure values.
The blood work must be done BEFORE you start, after 6 weeks and at end of cycle.
Blood pressure and resting heart should be monitored every evening.
Sports Doctors are much more open to the idea of anabolics due to the type of clients they treat. Make contact with one of them and ONLY do your cycle under their supervision. And LISTEN to what they say. They have a great deal of experience in this field.
The following cycle of anabolics is considered one of the safest and can be done for a cutting or building phase.
For 12 weeks:
Every day:
40mg Proviron in morning and 40mg Proviron in evening (tablets). This results in more free testosterone available in your system and also provide a more lean and hard look to the muscles. (do not exceed 160mg per day)
Every 2nd day (all injectables – make sure u follow injection protocols to the letter!):
30g Testosterone Propionate in cutting phase (40 to 60mg – building phase). NEVER exceed 400mg per week. Do NOT use the enanthate variant. It stays too long active in the body (14 days) in case of complications.
120mg Masteron Propionate or enanthate (NEVER exceed 600mg per week) – can be exchanged with Primobolan Depot or Equipose at same quantities.
Testosterone Propionate is used because it is only bio-available for 4 days in body, so If there are any complications (water rentention, excessive fast heart rate, blood pressure) then it can be brought quickly under control by lowering dosage or stop taking it altogether.
Masteron/Primobolan/Equipose is considered very safe anabolics at low dosages and can help protect muscle in a low calorie environment. It has anti-estrogen properties which helps counteract the estrogen side effect of Testosterone propionate.
None of these anabolics are known for liver toxicity or place too much pressure on kidneys. They are not know for high blood pressure problems either (except potentially Testosterone Propionate in higher dosages). But be aware – ALL anabolics will raise your bad cholesterol, some more than other. Although these are considered mild it will still have an effect. Therefor NEVER do a cycle unless you had your cholesterol checked and it is within normal parameters.
Be very carefull with Testosterone (prop or any other variant). Increasing the dosage can result in severe increases in blood pressure, heart rate and water rentention. Therefore always start with the minimum suggested dosage and monitor your bodies reaction carefully. Although testosterone is safe for the body, too much of it can have severe side effects, like with anything in life!
Post Cycle Treatment (PCT)
ALL anabolics will to various degrees shut down your own testosterone production. Especially Testosterone Propionate. Generally it is not a problem if you follow 3 simple rules:
Stick to recommended dosages.
Do not do your cycle for longer than 12 weeks.
Do a PCT program at the end of your cycle.
There are varying degrees of PCT protocols treatments that will depend on the quantities anabolics used in your cycle.
PCT for high quantities anabolics used:
Day 1-10: HCG at 500iu per day and Proviron at 100mg per day
Day 11-15: Nolvadex at 60mg per day
Day 16-20: Nolvadex at 40mg per day
Day 21-30: Nolvadex at 20mg per day
Clomid at 150mg per day.
PCT for low to med quantities anabolics used:
Day 11-15: Nolvadex at 60mg per day
Day 16-20: Nolvadex at 40mg per day
Day 21-30: Nolvadex at 20mg per day
It is again emphasized that the above undertaking MUST be done only under a doctor’s supervision accompanied by all the necessary blood work. Get yourself a home blood pressure monitor machine and measure your blood pressure and resting heart rate every evening. And if u still want kids or u are under 35…steroids is a no-no!
Regarding natural testosterone shutdown. Unfortunately that WILL happen with hiv+ or hiv- people when they do anabolic cycles. During the cycle it is not an issue because of the anabolics but when you stop with the cycle it can be a problem UNLESS you do the PCT (Post cycle treatment) program. That stimulate the production of you natural testosterone and within 21 days it should be normalized. It is right that you are concerned about test shutdown, Low test levels can lead to many health problems, especially depression.
You should do a anabolic cycle for 3 months followed by a pct program.
Then for 3 months you should be off anabolics and then can repeat again.
This is the healthiest approach.
Wish you much success my friend.
Gert
Hey Gert-Where can I find Primobilan Depot with great directions on how to use and with a great price?
Also, prayers are always good! Thanks in advance!
Blessings-
Greg
Greg – are u in South Africa or overseas?
G.
I’m in the United States!
OK,
First I wil keep you in my prayers.
Second, the best would be to hook up with a local supplier but one of the safer and more trustworthy places to order online is: http://sport-pharma.biz/
The best cycle for health and muscles I suggest for a HIV+ person is:
If u want to venture the anabolic route no matter what, NEVER do it without a doctor monitoring the following:
fasting cholesterol,
liver (ALT & AST),
kidney and
blood pressure values.
The blood work must be done BEFORE you start, after 6 weeks and at end of cycle.
Blood pressure and resting heart should be monitored every evening.
Sports Doctors are much more open to the idea of anabolics due to the type of clients they treat. Make contact with one of them and ONLY do your cycle under their supervision. And LISTEN to what they say. They have a great deal of experience in this field.
The following cycle of anabolics is considered one of the safest and can be done for a cutting or building phase.
For 12 weeks:
Every day:
40mg Proviron in morning and 40mg Proviron in evening (tablets). This results in more free testosterone available in your system and also provide a more lean and hard look to the muscles. (do not exceed 160mg per day)
Every 2nd day (all injectables – make sure u follow injection protocols to the letter!):
30g Testosterone Propionate in cutting phase (40 to 60mg – building phase). NEVER exceed 400mg per week. Do NOT use the enanthate variant. It stays too long active in the body (14 days) in case of complications.
120mg Masteron Propionate or enanthate (NEVER exceed 600mg per week) – can be exchanged with Primobolan Depot or Equipose at same quantities.
Testosterone Propionate is used because it is only bio-available for 4 days in body, so If there are any complications (water rentention, excessive fast heart rate, blood pressure) then it can be brought quickly under control by lowering dosage or stop taking it altogether.
Masteron/Primobolan/Equipose is considered very safe anabolics at low dosages and can help protect muscle in a low calorie environment. It has anti-estrogen properties which helps counteract the estrogen side effect of Testosterone propionate.
None of these anabolics are known for liver toxicity or place too much pressure on kidneys. They are not know for high blood pressure problems either (except potentially Testosterone Propionate in higher dosages). But be aware – ALL anabolics will raise your bad cholesterol, some more than other. Although these are considered mild it will still have an effect. Therefor NEVER do a cycle unless you had your cholesterol checked and it is within normal parameters.
Be very carefull with Testosterone (prop or any other variant). Increasing the dosage can result in severe increases in blood pressure, heart rate and water rentention. Therefore always start with the minimum suggested dosage and monitor your bodies reaction carefully. Although testosterone is safe for the body, too much of it can have severe side effects, like with anything in life!
Post Cycle Treatment (PCT)
ALL anabolics will to various degrees shut down your own testosterone production. Especially Testosterone Propionate. Generally it is not a problem if you follow 3 simple rules:
Stick to recommended dosages.
Do not do your cycle for longer than 12 weeks.
Do a PCT program at the end of your cycle.
There are varying degrees of PCT protocols treatments that will depend on the quantities anabolics used in your cycle.
PCT for high quantities anabolics used:
Day 1-10: HCG at 500iu per day and Proviron at 100mg per day
Day 11-15: Nolvadex at 60mg per day
Day 16-20: Nolvadex at 40mg per day
Day 21-30: Nolvadex at 20mg per day
Clomid at 150mg per day.
PCT for low to med quantities anabolics used:
Day 11-15: Nolvadex at 60mg per day
Day 16-20: Nolvadex at 40mg per day
Day 21-30: Nolvadex at 20mg per day
It is again emphasized that the above undertaking MUST be done only under a doctor’s supervision accompanied by all the necessary blood work. Get yourself a home blood pressure monitor machine and measure your blood pressure and resting heart rate every evening. And if u still want kids or u are under 35…steroids is a no-no!
Thanks so much! I really appreciate it!!!
Gert…. a lot of products for gluthamine say it has 2500 mg’s of gluthamine……how many mg equal one gram, so one might know to take 5grams a day? Thanks in advance!
Hi Greg, if it is pure L-Glutamine with no additives then you can safely take a rounded teaspoon which equals about 5g. Wish you a great day. It is not something you can overdose on. G.
Hi there, I am 39 years old and HIV positive, currently taking arvs and I want to start bodybuilding. will I succeed and gain muscle if I am determined and focused?
Hi Jeremiah,
There are many factors that will determine your success in building muscles with your condition:
– CD4 level
– Viral Load
– Medication
– Diet
– Training correctly
You can use my site to provide a rock solid diet (building and cutting) as well as training program. I am a BIG supporter of sooner than later to start using arv’s medication.
I am also a BIG supporter of “low risk” anabolic steroids cycles for the hiv+ male. Due to risk of muscle wasting and many other reasons it makes serious sense for the hiv+ person to add good muscle size to his frame. For a sample suggested cycle look at: http://gertlouw.com/2013/01/31/to-steroid-or-not/
If the above are all in place, you WILL grow and can even get a kickass muscled body. Many hiv+ people has followed this route and change the health and look of the body completely around.
Contact me anytime if u need support.
Wish you success!
Gert
im hiv pos and not on meds, been weightlifting and making progress but recently i started loosing muscles im not even on any supliment
what can i do
Hey buddy.
If you did not change your diet and still lifting in the same manner I would strongly suggest you get another round of tests to see what your CD4 count and viral load are. I suspect that your body is entering a muscle wasting phase due to too high viral loads. This can be very dangerous and very demotivating. After the test you need to consider going on HIV meds or using a “safe” anabolic steroid cycle to counteract the muscle wasting or both. MANY hiv+ guys use mild to moderate anabolic steroids to prevent this muscle loss environment. One of the safer cycles which should work perfect for such a situation can be found at: http://gertlouw.com/2013/01/31/to-steroid-or-not/
Wish u success my friend and good health!
G.
Hi and thanks for that article. I have been on hiv meds for three years bow and at the min do not do any exercise. I need to start as I’m suffering lipodystrophy. How can I stop this? I don’t really want to take anything as ut night have an effect on my meds.. Also suffering some anxiety so I know lifting will help but don’t know where to start x hope u can help me out mate x much appreciated x
Ian, lipodystrophy is a bummer! There are two attacks against this but it is only successfull when lipodystrophy is mild. When lipodystrophy is severe in most case you have to change your meds.
These two attacks are: training/dieting and using HGH (somatropin – won’t affect your meds). Some guys also use mild anabolic steroids like Masteron or Primobolan Depot which can help to burn fat layers and get it under control.
Somatropin is very expensive but blackmarket versions (through bodybuilding anabolic steroid channels) is MUCH cheaper – about $200 per month.
Most guys with severe lipodystrophy change their meds and in most cases it completely stopped the lipodystrophy.
Hope this helps bud? Contact me anytime if u need more info or just need someone to talk to.
Gert
Hi Gert,
You are truly an inspiration to thousand of people.
I have been HIV+ for 27 years. During this time, I have been training hard and regularly, reaching maximum lean muscle weight on 105kg. I am currently on 96kg. (182cm height) Over the past 18 months I started to develop quite severe lipodystophy and my belly really started to look gross. The so called “HIV Specialists”told me to stop being so vain and learn to live with it and there i nothing I can do about it. Refusing to accept it, I started on a cycle of Anavar (40 mg- 50mg per day with grapefruit juice) and Peptides (Combination of GHB2 and GHB-1295). Two weeks on the cycle I have already lost 8cm around my belly button circumference (now 98 cm, down from 106 cm)and already left no no visible subcutaneous fat. I intend to do an 8 week cycle of Anavar with Winstrol after week 4. I feel alive again and have the courage to appear in public with my normal clothes aI have much more confidence at the gym and my training is more intense. I do regular blood test and my blood results are, after my first 2 week cycle, already much closer to the normal ranges.
The moral of the story is for all HIV+ suffers is; Never accept that “there is nothing we can do about it” . There is always something you can do about it, as long as you do it with care. I find most, if not all, HIV Specialists in South Africa, grossly incompetent with a severe lack of basic knowledge. The emphasis is always on trying to keep patients alive, without any consideration of the quality of live of HIV sufferers.
Please keep up with you great work.
God bless you and your family.
Hey Riaan,
I just want to say thank you very much for the feedback….it truly means a lot to me!
And GOOD FOR YOU for taking matters into your own hands. I am not against the medical profession but many doctors are so close minded in the treatment options and sympathy for the individuals problems he is facing that I agree 100% with you that the lead in tackling the disease and side effects must come from you and not the doctor. But always keep him in the loop. Respect his opinion but use your own logic to apply. Just make sure you truly covered all angles in your investigation.
I agree that Anabolics (for various reasons) can help the hiv+ sufferer not just adding muscles but also dropping fat and thus help lipodystrophy get more in control. However, I would ask you to reconsider the addition of winstrol. Winstrol is also an Alpha 17 anabolic and you cannot do 2 alpha 17 anabolics together, it is too hard on the liver. Plus Winstrol not so much help shred fat but rather just bring down the water levels making you appear leaner. Winstrol can also result in severe joint pain.
A MUCH better alternative to add to Anavar is real HGH. Black Market options are rather cheap and very good. It not only help adding muscle but also help rid the fat especially around the organs (lipodystrophy). It is actually many md’s use to treat lipodystrophy. And you can use HGH for up to 12 months at a time with very little side effects. The only thing u need to be aware off is that if there are cancer history in your family then HGH might not be a good option. It does not create cancer but can speed up growth of existing cancer cells. Otherwise it is VERY safe.
But you are on the right road my friend. There is much light at the end of the tunnel. Keep educating yourself an NEVER take for truth what anyone says, not even a doctor…do your own research.
I agree that HIV doctors in South Africa are mostly grossly incompetent to treat the disease and side effects holistcally. But there are some good ones. I know of at least 3 good ones here in Cape Town.
Wish u a long life and many muscles!
Stay close to Christ in your walk.
Chat to me anytime my friend.
Gert
Hi Gert
Thank you for you reply and advice, which I will definitely take to heart and follow.
For all the HIV suffered out there, I just want to share some research which I have done on enlarged Piroted gland, which sit below your ear lobe. It is estimated that 20% of all HIV+ sufferers will experience an enlarged gland, which leads to swelling of the face and neck. It is aptly called the Chip Munk face look. No HIV specialist in SouthAfrica could give me any reason for my swollen face, nor could the prescribe any treatment. I subsequently stumbled upon a treatment regime for this, which entails 16 radiation treatments with low energy electrons. I am currently half way through the treatment and my face looks like it did ten years ago. The treatment, which is done at an oncology centre, is quite pricey, but my medical aid (one of the smaller ones), has covered the entire procedure. The treatment has manageable side effect, which disappears soon after the last treatment (which is about 7 minutes per treatment), such as tiredness and slight decolorisation in the treated area. The Morningside Oncology centre in Sandton has been fantastic with this perfecting this treatment so far.
Once again, don’t believe that “there is nothing what we can do about it. With a little bit of effort and resilience, there is always a way out.
Best wishes
R
Rian – AWESOME bit of info.
If u stumble upon more such critical info, please post as comment here in interest to all!
Wish u MUCH success and a healthy long life.
Gert
Good day Gert
Thank you for your article. I been Bodybuilding on and off. I loved your article and I can learn a great deal from you.
If at all its possible for you to contact me and to help me find a suitable gym workout, exercise plan as well nutrition plan.
I have not been achieving much success but I want to. Its amazing what I have been through in 14 years. Sometimes I do feel like quitting but then I just lift myself up again and again and push forward again. I would like to achieve more success at gym and its frustrating when I do not achieve what I want to. Its demotivating me. You sound knowledgeable.
Michiel 0748714051
Michiel,
Thanx for contacting me bud!
I think you nail it on the head…the results come through consistencey with both the diet and training.
I first want to give you these two articles to study and if you still have questions afterwards, please shoot!
http://gertlouw.wordpress.com/2014/06/02/how-do-i-start-a-body-transformation-from-scratch/
http://gertlouw.wordpress.com/my-transformation-program/
Stay strong, healthy and wish u SUCCESS!
Gert
Hi Gert
I see you eat plenty of veggies. If juice my veggies and drink the juice with some pulp every 6 hours would that be okay. I saw a documentary that juicing fresh veggies supplies major if not more micro nutrients than eating veggies.
I also see you dont eat much meat as a protein supplement but you rather drink protein shakes, any reasons?
I also want to know about you and your near death experience? What happened ?
Juicing = perfect.
Protein shakes simply due to time constraints. Solids ALWAYS better.
Me and my near death experience…hmmm for that we have to go offline.
Send me an email: gertlouwljc@hotmail.com
Thank you SO MUCH for this information. I was diagnosed on July 9, 2013 and have been searching for THIS INFORMATION since then. All the information I have found is just on dealing with the anger, depression, and stigma, which is important, but I want to learn to LIVE!! Thank you for being frank, honest, and nonjudgmental. This has been most helpful!! Cannot WAIT to learn more and let you know how far I get!! Thank you again!!
Hey Ira! It is so awesome when I get feedback on my hard work, especially with that video…it came straight from my heart.
I wish u MUCH success on your journey and contact me anytime be it for support, info or just want someone to talk to.
A note: Be very careful making your status known. The world is a nasty place and feelings about this can be very deep-seated. Just one person knowing that should not know can hurt you tremendously. Only make it known when there is no alternative. The less people know the better! May God bless you buddy. Gert
If anybody could give me specifics on what product names and affordability is key. I want to curve diarrhea I have no health insurance and I need as much advice as possible. I want to what type of glutamine and proboitics and what else I can get for a good price.
Thank you so much for this article, I just was diagnosed 3 weeks ago, and your article really got me motivated! thank you for sharing your knowledge, it’s hard to find something uplifting online regards HIV there’s a lot of depressing stories, judgement , condemnation and stigma, finding your article really made my day. THANK YOU!
This is exactely the reason I wrote it…there is MUCH light at the end of the tunnel.
Thank you very much for the feedback!
Stay strong, stay focussed and live healthy.
Gert
you are a wonderfull person and you are the first guy talking about the hiv and life style,include body shape, food and diet, lipodystropye – anabolic subtance , side effect about medication hiv. you took all holistic approach and your research are greatfull in hiv domain. Thank you so much to give the hope and strengh.
warm huh form uk Alain
Alain…it is my pleasure and honour my friend. If I can help just one person through this I am thank-full.
May God bless you bud and stay strong and healthy!
Gert
I am HIV pos and how do I get on steroids (deca) ??
John, Deca can result in muscle growth for the hiv+ person and also reverse muscle wasting but be aware, it will immediately shut down you own testosterone production of your body which means your balls size will shrink. Short duration cycles not so much a problem but you cannot go on cycles lasting longer than 12 weeks and even then you will experience difficulties getting it normalized quickly again. A much safer although more expensive steroid for the hiv+ person is primobolan depot. This will have little effect on the hpta axis and not shut down your own testosterone production when low dosages used. If this is to expensive then a second best will be testosterone enanthate. Test Enan will shut it down but not as quickly and when the cycle is stopped your body’s own testosterone production will recover more quickly than with deca. Hope this helps?
There are many sites through internet that you can order. One of the safer sites I know of is: http://www.sport-pharma.biz/
Wish you MUCH success. Gert
Awesome article thanks alot.. it truly gave me a whole new outlook. And it gave me that much more motivation to keep pushing forward especially when it comes to bodybuilding and health. Very informative and inspirational. Really pumped up now thanks again and god bless.
Many thanx for your feedback! Wish you a blessed 2014.
Keep pressing on mate.
God bless.
Gert
you are an inspiration and the info you’ve provided helpful
thanx for the feedback! wish u a GREAT day. Gert Louw
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Nice article, will you please let me have your contact information, i need to share some information with you.
You can contact me on: gertlouwljc@hotmail.com or scoobymuscle@hotmail.co.za
Wish u a great day.
Gert
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Thanx bud, I really appreciate the feedback. Wish u agreat day. Gert